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Thursday
29Nov

Overheard in Boston College

By Jesse Stellato

Overheard in Boston CollegeWe have addressed Course Evaluation data sharing (or lack thereof) at length in a recent editorial; racial issues at Boston College Law School continue to spark a great amount of discussion and controversy; anonymity on Eagleionline was the subject of a recent Conversations and Shades event. But there’s much, much more to say about what’s being said. Here’s a sampling :

  1. As the Library decorates for the holidays, the yearly discussion continues about the size of the Christmas tree in the Library’s reference area. Why, some ask, is it so much bigger than the Menorah?
  2. On the table, in the cafe, just outside the cash registers, before lunch and dinner, you will find the five or so dishes on that day’s Dining Services Menu. “There are people staving in the world,” one Eagle said to Eagleionline, “and it bothers me so much that all this food is being thrown away after lunch and dinner every day.”
  3. The third-floor renovations in Stuart are looking fine, but one earnest Eagle claims to have “good information” (the truth of which we are unable to determine at the moment) that Stuart might eventually be razed, rendering the improvements there retrospectively wasteful. Why, this person asked, should the money be spent on administrators, and not students?

Email tips to Eagleionline using the “Contact” tab above. Per standard journalistic practice, we promise keep our anonymous sources confidential.

[Editor’s Note: The following comments were made anonymously on Eagleionline’s previous site. They are included here for historical purposes only, and do not necessarily represent the views of Mr. Stellato or Eagleionline.]

30 Responses to “Overheard in Boston College”

  1. on 29 Nov 2007 at 3:12 pm Size matters

    Maybe the tree is bigger than the menorah because christmas trees are traditionally larger than menorahs.

    I had both growing up, as my Dad was christian and my Mom jewish. The tree was always much much larger than the menorah.

    This is really a “yearly discussion?” Who are the people who care about this sort of thing?

  2. on 29 Nov 2007 at 6:16 pm joblessBCLS07

    And why is the church on the BCLS campus so much bigger than the synagogue? Wait, there is no synagogue on campus-the injustice!

  3. on 29 Nov 2007 at 6:34 pm petty

    size matters is correct. christmas trees are traditionally larger than menorahs. even if they aren’t, doesn’t matter. boston college is a private, catholic law school — it need not worry about the sensibilities of a few petty students. the presence of the menorah demonstrates that bc does more than enough to be inclusive. i ask you, Jesse Stellato, why does bc have to imply that christmas and hanukkah are equally important?

    where are you getting all this from anyway? did you overhear this while having a conversation with yourself? people don’t wonder why the christmas tree is larger! take a look around, Stellato! everyone knows of this school’s background and it’s association with the church. if you aren’t able to accept this, you should reevaluate your decision to attend bc and consider transferring.

  4. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:02 pm Bil

    “christmas trees are traditionally larger than menorahs.”

    This is wrong.

    For example,

    http://www.mikeash.com/israel/pics/15-8-giant_menorah.jpg

    http://www.celeeevansporcelain.com/images/celee_4seasons_t.jpg

  5. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:05 pm petty

    no, you’re wrong Bil.

    See, for example, the display in the law library. I’m sure Jesse Stellato has a picture

  6. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:06 pm Bil

    petty,

    haven’t you seen charlie brown christmas?

  7. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:10 pm petty

    haven’t seen it. are you familiar with how the grinch stole christmas? there’s a remake of it coming out soon. it takes place at bc law and the casting people did a great job. jesse stellato stars as the grinch. some are already screaming “oscar!”

  8. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:41 pm Size matters

    Bil,

    Granted, throughout history there have been many large menorahs. I would imagine the first one, used to light an entire temple was very large. My point was that in the average household a menorah is fairly small. All of my Jewish friends, including myself have menorahs that are counter-top size. Although some people, especially apartment dwellers, probably have small christmas trees, I would say it’s a fair generalization that the average American household has a christmas tree that is significantly larger than the average American’s menorah. Again, I point to my own experience of having both a very large tree and a fairly small menorah.

    Although Jesse’s bringing this up doesn’t infuriate me in the way it seems to infuriate some posters, I do think the anger expressed here is a perfect example of why it’s a bad idea to take political correctness too far. There are far greater problems in the world than getting upset because a Catholic school has a small menorah. Personally, I think BC does more for its Jewish students than the average secular school, and should be praised for it. So really in the end, I think this is making mountains out of molehills.

  9. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:44 pm Size matters

    I will say that Jessie’s second point, about the food, does upset me. I realize it’s only a small amount each day, but that adds up. I remember my undergrad doing the same thing (displaying meals). So I’m guessing it’s a pretty standard thing. I think BC would be better served donating that food to local homeless shelters and using written menus, or pictures.

  10. on 29 Nov 2007 at 7:59 pm Anon

    For all the South Park discussion about Christmukahwanza decorations, can we get some more details on Stuart Hall being raised?

    Wasn’t this the actual plan when they were designing the Library and East Wing (hence the doors that go to nowhere)?

    Any chance we could use those funds for a tuition break instead?

  11. on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:08 pm petty

    good luck getting eagleionline to discuss its source on that.

  12. on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:15 pm anonymous

    Jesse was either kidding or trolling with the christmas tree point. I’m pretty sure he’s kidding.

    However, with the food point, having worked in a crappy corporate restaurant chain (the Olive Garden) for four years while in college and having asked that myself, I think I know the answer. The idea is that you don’t want to create any incentive to “waste” (as in overproduce, cook the wrong item etc.,). Also, because the food is perishable, its logistically tough to do it without possible exposure in the event spoiled food is donated.

    Not saying its right, just saying thats the thinking as it was explained to this self righteous waiter back in the day.

  13. on 29 Nov 2007 at 9:08 pm Jewish Student

    I hope he was joking with that post about the Xmas tree. I am a Jewish student, and am not at all offended by the tree, or its relative size to the menorah. I am actually much more offended that someone would make a stupid news article about it and then attribute it to “some people are saying” in order to stir controversy and piss off students, making it seem like all the Jewish students are complaining at a Catholic law school (which we certainly are not). Don’t create ridiculous straw man arguments. If you actually think it is an interesting topic, how about phrasing it as “At a Catholic law school, should there be displays of all religious holidays?” and not “some people (read: jews) are mad about the size of the xmas tree.” come on.

  14. on 29 Nov 2007 at 9:08 pm Bil

    size matters,

    you might want to check your sarcasm detector, i think its broken.

  15. on 29 Nov 2007 at 10:13 pm Size matters

    Sorry, I didn’t look at your linked pictures… only have so much time to waste on here.

  16. on 29 Nov 2007 at 10:34 pm Rudy

    Holiday Size Chart from largest to smallest:

    1) Tree
    2) Reindeer
    3) Santa
    4) Candles

    Love,
    Rudy

  17. on 30 Nov 2007 at 9:37 am Bil

    As for #2, my bigger complaint with the cafeteria is getting raped on prices. I get a tuna sandwich on wheat bread, chips, and a soda, at a freakin school cafeteria and it costs me $11.

    A large soda is like $3, thats heading towards movie theater prices. Then, best of all, is the raping that occurs at the end of the semester when they sell bulk candy and a large bag of gummy worms is like $24 and a large sheet of Rice Krispy treats, which I’ve seen at the store for FOUR DOLLARS is sold for something like THIRTY DOLLARS.

    I know this was true at my old college, but I bet BC makes a huuuuuge killing on this whole deal. Sick.

  18. on 30 Nov 2007 at 10:32 am anon

    bil

    BC is a non-profit, and they pay cafeteria workers a living wage. So, you getting ‘raped’ allows Celi to pay her rent.

    Also, UGBC elections have been held in past years where students had a choice between cost and quality and chose quality.

    So, nobody is making a killing.

  19. on 30 Nov 2007 at 10:59 am bil is right

    anon,

    while bc is certainly a non-profit, i would be shocked if the cafeteria didn’t make money for the school. i believe that the money that the cafteria makes is fed back into the university system. there is simply no way that a cafeteria that charges the prices bc does is not making money.

    i agree completely with bil, it is sickening that the cafeteria charges such outrageous prices. being that bc’s newton campus is so isolated and that even the main campus does not really allow students easy access to other food options, i feel that bc has a duty to charge fair prices, not the inflated prices that we see.

    why must a large soda cost $3 when it cannot possibly cost the school more than 25 cents (cup included)?

  20. on 30 Nov 2007 at 11:59 am 3L

    I agree that BC’s prices are way too much. But this is definitely an issue at many colleges/universities. At my undergrad university, a state school, the on-campus convenience stores charged prices that were significantly higher than what you would find at a CVS or Walgreens and the dining halls were similarly overpriced.

    I disagree with anon in that these prices are about paying the cafeteria workers a “living wage.” I think it is more about the fact that the school knows it can get away with charging high prices and does so. A deli sandwich costs $5+. This is two slices of white or wheat bread, 2 slices of cheap turkey, mustard, lettuce and tomato.

  21. on 30 Nov 2007 at 12:10 pm Bil

    anon,

    I went to a school that was roughly the size of BC’s Newton campus. My school cleared $50k+ per year in profits from the dining hall. So obviously this isn’t a BC issue, but doesn’t mean I cant bitch about it.

    At least law students don’t get it as based as the freshman who are usually forced into a meal plan.

  22. on 30 Nov 2007 at 2:29 pm Thought

    Also having worked somewhere where hot meals are made and is state-monitored…I’m sure way more food than is out on that table gets thrown away every day. I agree, I’m not sure the display is needed (it’s probably just a product of the cafeteria managers being forced to come up with “fresh” new ideas at meetings). However, while trying to feed the masses and make several options available, I’m sure lots of perfectly edible food (by normal person standards anyway) gets thrown away to comply with health codes and operations norms.

  23. on 30 Nov 2007 at 7:04 pm Anon

    I do not find the Christmas tree in the library as offensive as a teacher permitting her students to name a teddy bear ‘Mohammed.’ Both offenses deserve the death penalty, but the perpetrator of Teddybeargate deserves it twice.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T88JT80&show_article=1

    “Peaceful” religion?

  24. on 30 Nov 2007 at 8:05 pm Sleepy

    Umm… without considering this as something like a practice issue spotter - what would be the problem with a shelter or something picking up the food at the end of the day and just absolving BC of any potential liability?

    The amount of food (crappy food, but still food) thrown away after sports events is also substantial.

  25. on 30 Nov 2007 at 11:23 pm to anon

    [comment deleted as inappropriate/hate speech- Eds.]

  26. on 30 Nov 2007 at 11:26 pm 2L

    I can’t concentrate on the merits of this discussion until someone verifies that the graphic accompanying this article resembles the phantom gourmet’s logo.

  27. on 01 Dec 2007 at 5:21 pm 2L

    When did this website turn from informative to a bunch of new kids writing complaints about the adminsitration. You go to an awesome school, get over the little things. There are kids at BU, Suffolk and NEU who would die to be in your position.

  28. on 02 Dec 2007 at 4:21 pm Dining hall

    First off, forget about starving people all over the world - there’s a bunch of poor hungry law students who have to walk by $19.99 Steak dinners and $24,95 lobster tails each night while we buy two slices of bread and a coffee. The only upside is that no one seems to mind when you snag a few bites off of the display when you’re out of cash and hungry.

    Second, I would be more sympathetic to the whole ‘living wage’ for Cely argument if I didn’t see about 15 managers always floating around performing critical quality control functions like sticking thier fingers into the soup to see if its hot enough and snacking on food out of the salad bar to see how fresh it is (okay - these are slight exagerations, but the point it the same)…Why do they need so many managers to mill around all day? I mean at peak times, there’s only a handful of food service staff, and at off times, you’d swear they were filming extra scenes for “I am Legend” or “28 Days later” or something since its such a ghosttown.

    And Jesse - I love you man, but trying to start a controversy over the relative sizes of a Christmas tree at a Jesuit institution to the Menorah it displays is like pointing out that a football player spends more time in the weight room than in study hall. I mean, who would assume that’s out of line, or otherwise not expected? And you neglected to mention that BC Law does cancel all classes in observance of the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur…

  29. on 05 Dec 2007 at 11:16 am 2L

    While I can understand criticizing the dining hall for some of the things it does, especially in regards to pricing, it makes absolutely no sense to claim that the sample items on the display are contributing to world hunger. If that food were not put on display, it would not be going to a poor country, it would not be going to a homeless shelter, and it would not be helping anyone.

    If BC wanted to do something with their leftovers, they could. Panera Bread, for example, gives all of their leftover breads etc… to local shelters at the end of the day.

    If you really want to devote energy to the issue, convince local businesses like Dunkin Donuts or other coffee shops/delis that have perishables left over at the end of the day to donate them, don’t criticize a college dining hall–would you really want the food that freshman and law students have sneezed and breathed all over and have been sitting out all day to be donated somewhere?

    In regards to pricing, the law students get ripped because the freshman have a plan that allows them to eat, and eat well with the food at those prices. Because we don’t have meal plans, we don’t get the benefit of the discounts they do per item. If you put money on your card, though, instead of paying in cash, you get a 10% discount on everything you purchase.

    Re: the christmas tree and the menorah–sure it’s a topic of discussion. I walk into the library almost every day and i see a comparatively huge tree with a small menorah. It might be nice for the library to actually put candles in the menorah or something like that. But to stir up controversy over it? I’m sure there are more important issues we could discuss.

  30. on 11 Dec 2007 at 9:44 pm Jon Henry

    Is it possible that the size of the tree and menorah are determined using a statistical formula based on the percentages of Jewish and Christian students? Or maybe a mathematic function that uses three dimensional rendering to determine the appropriate size based on the know religious beliefs of those students who turn in course evaluations? Maybe we can feed the menorah the food from the tables and it will grow and then it can battle the tree for space in the front of the library.


Wednesday
28Nov

Course Selection - The Inside Scoop

November 28, 2007 by Jesse Stellato

Hmm..what classes should I take this semester? Are you struggling in choosing between two professors? Did you take a class that was a waste of time? A class that inspired you? Please help your fellow students by posting your insights on the good and bad, humorous and (yawn!) dry side of BC Law’s courses and professors. Eagleionline’s Course Evaluations are anonymous and filling them out takes just a few minutes

In the meantime, click the “Continue Reading” link below for the inside scoop on Boston College Law School’s spring collection of classes.

Eagleionline Question of the Day: Did we forget to feature any professors?

Professor Paul Tremblay’s Community Enterprise Clinic is like the civil litigation clinic, but for those students interested in business and helping community-oriented entrepreneurs realize their dreams. This is the Community Enterprise Clinic’s first year, but you’ll likely have to wait another one to take this class, as initial interest in the clinic was overwhelming, and produced a long wait-list.

Expect some expert insight from Assistant Professor Joseph Liu’s IP Survey. He is currently working on a casebook on copyrights. In addition, this is a great class for students who love to talk. Some estimate that Liu, who always wears the color blue, devotes as much as 25% of class to in-class discussion. (IP Survey MWF 11:15-12:20). (Another little known fact about Professor Liu is that he is one of the few professors at BC Law to maintain a personal website.)

Dean Michael Cassidy is a strong contender for one of the most approachable members of the Boston College Law School faculty. He is rumored to know everyone in class by their first and last name. (Yes, you have a fair chance of being called on, but it’s easy to pass.) His 4 credit Criminal Law will be superb, but a real bear of a class for any upperclassmen to audit, much less enroll in.

Professor Dean Hashimoto, A.B., M.S., M.O.H., M.D., J.D. has finally learned that cardinal black-letter rule: never begin a class at 8:30 in the morning. Last year, his Evidence class started at the ungodly hour of 8:30 a.m. This year, his Business Law & Health Policy is scheduled from 10:00 a.m. to noon. Granted, the class is still on Friday, but hey, they can’t teach you everything at Yale Law.

Speaking of morning classes, Professor Ingrid Hillinger takes the cake as the earliest riser in the BC Law roster. Her Business Bankruptcy (TTh 8-9:50) may be early, but it’s well worth it. Hillinger is held in the highest esteem by students, despite the fact that her classes are rumored to be as early as they are challenging. Also, the recent credit crunch might make some experience in the field of bankruptcy quite useful.

Professor Dan Coquilette’s American Legal Education (T 4:45-7) may be taught on the other side of the Charles, but every minute you spend commuting will be well worth it. Coquilette is one of BC Law’s finest professors. He is an intelligent scholar, engaging lecturer, and, most importantly, a virtuous human being. (And yes, when Coquilette was Dean, BC Law never dropped below 20 in the rankings and everyone had parking.)

Adjunct Professor Thomas Carey’s Appellate Advocacy (Th 5-7) provides a unique opportunity for those advocacy buffs out there. It is one of the only classes where you get an opportunity to write a real appellate brief. Professor Carey seems to know every lawyer in town, as well as every judge. He uses these connections to collect a range of cases that the lead attorneys feel would be a good learning experience, or that they are just too busy to work on. Your experience can be hit or miss depending on the case you pick, but many students get a chance to argue their case before a MA Appellate court and at least one student has taken a case all the way to the SJC.

“Fantastic” and “genius” are two adjectives sometimes used to describe Professor Vlad Perju. He set a dangerous precedent last year, though, by gifting pizza and Belgian beer to his class. If his Spring Constitutional Law II (TTh 2) is anything like his Fall EU Law, expect organized lectures, answers to all your questions, and, of course, pizza. If you’re lucky Perju will also discuss the constitutionality of “Prohibition” over some home-made whiskey.

[Editor’s Note: The following comments were made anonymously on Eagleionline’s previous site. They are included here for historical purposes only, and do not necessarily represent the views of Mr. Stellato or Eagleionline.]

16 Responses to “Course Selection - The Inside Scoop”

  1. on 28 Nov 2007 at 8:18 pm Bean

    Vlad is a great professor but some people get annoyed because he is so theoretical. If you are hoping to learn black letter EU law you will probably be disappointed. However, if you want an interesting discussion with a brilliant and enthusiastic professor his EU or Con law class should be right up your alley.

    Also, his grading procedure is a little unclear. He seems to grade on his overall impression of your exam and is specifically looking for something that makes it “unique.”

  2. on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:28 pm Jones is AWFUL

    Seriously, do NOT take any class from Jones (Corps or Securities Reg).

    [rest of comment removed as harassing- Eds.]

  3. on 28 Nov 2007 at 10:44 pm 3L

    From someone who is interested in Bankruptcy and took Hillinger’s business bankruptcy class last year… take my warning. Hillinger’s business bankruptcy is not for the faint of heart. If you are merely taking it out of some generalized interest, or in interest in the “credit crunch,” you will regret the decision.

    I would only recommend this class to those with a genuine interest in practicing in the field, or if you are a glutton for punishment.

  4. on 29 Nov 2007 at 1:20 am 3L

    I just reread my previous comment about business bankruptcy and I think it comes off poorly, so let me restate.

    The class itself is a great class and Hillinger, as many people know, is a great professor. Compared to the things that some of my fellow summers learned in their bankruptcy classes (specifically two students, one from Cornell and one from UPenn) I felt that Hillinger’s bankruptcy class was far more in-depth, sophisticated, etc. etc. compared to either of theirs.

    My main point with the previous post is that, even though it’s a great course, it’s a very difficult course about a subject matter that has little carryover outside of the practice area. I realize that knowledge of bankruptcy has some intellectual carryover, but it’s not a fundamental course in the way Brudney’s corporations is (or even Hillinger’s secured transactions is). So my (admittedly poorly made) point is that, I’d encourage only people with a real interest in pursuing a career in bankruptcy law to take this class, unless getting up for 2 hour 8 AM class to work through often incomprehensible statutory language is your thing.

  5. on 29 Nov 2007 at 8:27 am uhmmm…excuse me?

    Professor Perju gifts pizza and Belgian beer to whom? Certainly not his EU law class for Fall 2007…and I would not expect him to; he is an accomplished scholar and dedicated teacher who would not have to do so. His class was wonderful, but you had to work for it.

    And he does not “answer all your questions” in the EU class; he doesn’t have the time…and what on earth does this mean, anyway? How could he? He has the unenviable task of covering a mountain of material in the EU course in a very short period of time. He does an admirable job of it, and I do not think anyone else could do better, but if people think that the class is all “cakes and ale”; well, better think otherwise.

    You are really doing a disservice to the man if you are trying to make his classes look relatively effortless, or like a semester long “bar review” (eg., homemade whiskey??? What are you taking about??)

  6. on 29 Nov 2007 at 9:59 am Bil

    Appellate Advocacy is a full year course, so you can’t join up now even if you wanted to.

    “rumored to be as early as they are challenging”

    you mean as challenging as they are early?

    Also, why does eagleionline not just support the LSA course evals? why make people fill out both or risk people only doing one or the other? i know eaglei was first, but if the goal is reliable course evals, can’t we all just get along?

  7. on 29 Nov 2007 at 10:46 am Usually post under one name, but don’t want the LSA to know what I think of them…

    Bil,
    Thanks for raising the point about EiO v LSA on course evals (although maybe it should be its own thread).
    I think your questions would be better directed to the LSA — why are they trying to re-invent the wheel that EiO made? Why can’t they contact EiO before trying to duplicate what EiO has already done? Ask them that.

    As for profs:
    Professor Wirth deserves a good word. I love Wirth in International Law. He’s on top of his game, knows his stuff cold, and runs the class well and enjoyably. I’ll take other classes with him.

  8. on 29 Nov 2007 at 11:03 am Bil

    Usually,

    (I have no LSA affiliation) The LSA ones seem better because you can read qualitative comments. What if I rate a professor a 5 out of 5 because I love how he is so theoretical and lectures 100% and someone else rates a professor 5 out of 5 because he gives you practical black letter law and opens discussion up. Now both professors are completely different and if we had switched classes we might rate the professors 2 out of 5, based on our style preference. A purely numeric system doesn’t allow such things to come to light.

  9. on 29 Nov 2007 at 11:11 am Ellen

    Bil, did you take this year’s Eagleionline survey? As I recall, it has both quantitative and qualitative data. So people can write that X professor was good/bad for Y reasons. When I filled my survey out, i ranked my professor, and then wrote a short paragraph about each one.

  10. on 29 Nov 2007 at 12:16 pm Bil

    Ellen,

    whoops. no i haven’t done it yet. i get that eagleionline isn’t an official school group and the LSA is, but we are now asked to fill out 3 different versions of the same course evaluation and obviously there will be many people that do one and not the other, or people with particularly strong feelings will do both, or people will get confused and do nothing. If the end result is good info for us students and not an ego battle between student organizations, why the two course evals?

  11. on 29 Nov 2007 at 1:02 pm Bias

    i have to comment on eu law with professor perju. i took the class in the fall last year (2006) and can say that not everyone thinks so highly of perju’s eu law class. certainly the man is endearing, friendly and has a real interest in teaching. however, i certainly do not agree that it was an amazing class experience. i found myself constantly confused and desparately seeking clarification. despite how enjoyable i find perju, i don’t think i would recommend this class. i have heard that his con law class is much better (and i think it is better suited to his teaching style than eu law). also, i will say that yes, there was pizza on one occasion and beer on another.

    it does strike me as odd that i never really hear glowing reviews about perju other than from this website and from some of the students involved in running this website. i am starting to think that this website is simply a sounding board for these particular students’ ideas. however, this is all conjecture on my part.

  12. on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:15 pm House arrest

    Hillinger > ALL

    Including ninjas, pirates, and Chuck Norris.

    Who would win a fight, Hillinger or God?

  13. on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:35 pm kung fu fighter

    House arrest - you ask a trick question. Hillinger IS God.

  14. on 29 Nov 2007 at 2:59 pm Bias, you have an

    interesting point. I always thought that the reason the EU class was frequently confusing was just because of the material…you really do have to shift gears from other classes to grasp the stuff.
    The problem is we really don’t have anyone else to compare with Prof. Perju in terms of the EU class; he is the only one teaching it.
    I will agree about the difficulty in assessing these subjective professor evaluations…sometimes, I have taken a class with a professor who is highly praised, and I have really wondered why he or she got such high marks for teaching. I think that in general, we have a very dedicated, kind faculty, and students don’t want to seem harsh or critical in pointing out that some of these very nice, supportive individuals may not be all that great in the classroom.

  15. on 29 Nov 2007 at 3:27 pm Bias

    i agree completely that eu law is difficult to grasp…it is a vast, vast area of “law.” however, i do believe that it is a professor’s job to explain material in a manner that is comprehensible to the student. that is my mark of a good professor.

    i can say that a number of professors possess this trait: hillilnger, brodin, ring just to name those at the top of my list.

  16. on 29 Nov 2007 at 5:14 pm kung fu fighter

    what’s with all the perju hating? he did a great job explaining eu to me. maybe you’re just stupid?


Tuesday
27Nov

How to Write a Love Letter

By Kaiko Shimura

Dear Really Hot Guy,

You are absolutely swoon-worthy.

But I’m not really into adverse possession. Sure, it gets the job done, but openly, notoriously, continuously, exclusively, and adversely possessing you…it, well, just isn’t my style. Besides, how are we supposed to establish when my cause of action will accrue? Will forcibly making out with you in a blatantly public place be sufficient to establish adverse possession? Wouldn’t that just scream psycho…or even assault and battery? And then, of course, I’d have to wait seven years until I KNOW that I am fully in possession (and that your true owner – whoever that is…your mom? – won’t come back to re-claim you). In seven years, I’ll be 31. I simply can’t wait that long.

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Sunday
25Nov

Getting Green

worldhand.jpgI recently found out that a good buddy of mine and his wife are expecting a baby soon. I ignored the temptation to question whether or not it was indeed wise to propogate his specific genetic makeup, considering some of our more moronic escapades in high school and college, and congratulated him nonetheless on what is historically considered a defining event in one’s life. I was genuinely happy for the couple, and I like to think (or at least hope) that most people would have the same reaction upon hearing such news. But at least a couple of people seem to have a radically different view of the naturally ingrained concept of perpetuating one’s species.

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Sunday
25Nov

Give Thanks, Call You Rep

Over the next few days many of us will join our families and friends for a huge meal and perhaps a nap over football. We'll put down our books and, at the very least, be thankful for a brief reprieve before finals. While we're relaxing, though, we can take the opportunity to give thanks to people who truly deserve it: wounded veterans. Veterans Day has passed and we have bestowed upon our troops our annual words of gratitude and respect. However our obligation continues, especially in light of a recently revealed Pentagon policy to demand soldiers return part of their signing bonuses when they cannot complete the tours they committed to due to injury. From Pittsburgh:

The U.S. Military is demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments.To get people to sign up, the military gives enlistment bonuses up to $30,000 in some cases.Now men and women who have lost arms, legs, eyesight, hearing and can no longer serve are being ordered to pay some of that money back.One of them is Jordan Fox, a young soldier from the South Hills.He finds solace in the hundreds of boxes he loads onto a truck in Carnegie. In each box is a care package that will be sent to a man or woman serving in Iraq. It was in his name Operation Pittsburgh Pride was started.Fox was seriously injured when a roadside bomb blew up his vehicle. He was knocked unconscious. His back was injured and lost all vision in his right eye.A few months later Fox was sent home. His injuries prohibited him from fulfilling three months of his commitment. A few days ago, he received a letter from the military demanding nearly $3,000 of his signing bonus back."I tried to do my best and serve my country. I was unfortunately hurt in the process. Now they're telling me they want their money back," he explained.

In October Congress considered a bill that would guarantee that soldiers get their bonus pay promptly upon return from duty. This Thanksgiving you can give thanks by calling your Representative and leaving them a message while they enjoy their turkey. Ask them to support Representative Altmire's bill and tell them you're concerned about wounded vets not getting paid what we promised them.As if you needed another reason, the soldier in the article above had this to say when asked if the Pentagon's decision changed his feelings about his experience:

"I'd do it all over again... because I'm proud of the discipline that I learned. I'm proud to have done something for my country."

Happy Thankgiving everyone. You can find your Representative here.


Friday
16Nov

Course Evaluations

By Eagleionline Editorial Board

November 16, 2007

Course Evaluations by EagleionlineOn Wednesday, Deans Cassidy and Wiley emailed the student body with a notice regarding course evaluations. In the email, they threatened to withhold early access to grades if students failed to complete the course evaluations. Here is a relevant portion of the email:

This semester, and following the policy that is in place at all other schools and colleges at BC, course evaluations for all your courses must be completed in order for you to view your grades as they are entered. If you have not completed your evaluations, your grades will not be available to you and viewable via Agora until the law school deadline for submission of grades, which this semester is January 22.

The deans failed to note, however, that course evaluations are not made available to the student body.

Contrary to this second, unstated, policy, we understand that some faculty members support some type of data sharing with students. We sympathize with these individuals, and share their hopes.

 

However, we feel that those who categorically deny all type of data sharing have failed, so far, to provide an adequate rationale for their position. Some have hinted, for example, that there is some statutory basis for a refusal to share data. If that is the case, then let the statute be cited, for we would never ask the faculty or administration to controvert any rule that they themselves did not enact. Others might say that releasing such data will unduly influence incoming first-year students who have no choice in selecting courses or professors. This, though, does not explain why data from upper-level courses are not released.

 

Course evaluation data are an essential tool for students. And as we noted last spring, providing student access to course evaluations is not without precedent. Indeed, BC Law is the only law school in the Boston area that does not provide students access to course evaluations. Harvard Law’s course evaluation link is here, BU Law’s is here, Suffolk Law keeps its course evaluations on permanent reserve in the their library here, and Northeastern Law does the same here.

 

Hence, last semester we decided to implement a course evaluations process ourselves, which can be accessed here. By virtually all accounts, the evaluations were a success and illustrated the overwhelming student demand for such a service. And because the law school administration continues to take the quixotic stand against releasing data that we fill out, we are once again conducting our own course evaluations and releasing the data to the student body.

 

In the end, the law school’s newly attached penalties for many students’ principled decision not to fill out course evaluations unless and until they have a direct, tangible stake in the data, the school has imposed more detriment on the student side of the balance while offering nothing in return. We find it curious that the law school is penalizing students for failure to complete evaluations when students are unable to utilize the same data for their benefit in selecting courses.

Eagleionline Question of the Day: Are the sanctions for failing to complete course evaluations justified?

[Editor’s Note: The following comments were made anonymously on Eagleionline’s previous site. They are included here for historical purposes only, and do not necessarily represent the views of Eagleionline or any members thereof.]

38 Responses to “Course Evaluations”

  1. on 16 Nov 2007 at 1:49 pm Bil

    I just don’t get it. Do they not understand research methodology? How many people are just going to open them up and spend ten seconds “click, click, click, click, click” straight down the line because they don’t care too strongly about it and they don’t get the benefit of their results, so why bother?

    If professors can’t be held accountable by making them available to students, then what good are they?

    Do you think any professors open it up and think “Wow, students think my class is too hard and I don’t explain things good. Better revamp everything!”

    If anything the scale questions are impossibly dumb given that a certain percentage of people will now be clicking at random whereas before it at least showed a modicum of interest to fill one out.

    I think the scale questions should be completely done away with in favor of simple qualitative questions.

    1) What were the positives of the course?

    2) What were the negatives?

    Just give students a jumping off point to describe things in detail and provide real feedback not just for faculty and the professor, but for other students.

    In the end, rating a professor a 2 out of 5 isn’t going to have much impact, but if you give real advice and concrete examples, the impact will be so much greater.

  2. on 16 Nov 2007 at 2:21 pm Bil is correct…

    There needs to more of an option for commentary in the evaluations. Just as an aside, bravo to the editors at Eagleionline for bringing this subject up…I was actually going to suggest this when the e-mail came out yesterday.

    I know of no other higher education institution that does not make the course evaluations available to the students (at least, the statistical information that can be compiled easily enough).

    I agree, I can see no justifiable reason for why students should not see these evaluations. Because first years might feel “bad” because they have no choice of professor? Please…how is this any different than students in undergrad institutions who, for whatever reason, need to take a particular professor’s section in order to fulfill a major or course distribution requirement? Statutory regulations? Well, it surely can’t be on the state level, if every other Boston law school makes the info available….so I am assuming it must be university-wide statutes? I am going to check and see if this is the case with the other schools and colleges at BC. Or, perhaps, there are law school specific statutes in question here? If so, I find it incredible that they would be put into place in the first place.
    The sanctions are out of place, but I suppose that there is really not much we can do as students, unless there is a groundswell of discontent and protest. I doubt that this will take place.

  3. on 16 Nov 2007 at 2:31 pm Bil

    FWIW I was on the student committee at my undergrad that administered the course evaluations and then were responsible for compiling the data and presenting it to the faculty.

    This was the ultimate in student hands-on participation in this process, because we not only got to see the results, but a group of us got to handle and analyze the raw data and go well beyond typical analysis.

    For example, asking student’s their expected grade in the class (higher, lower, same when compared to current cumulative GPA) allowed us to analyze some potential motives.

    When you can show faculty that even students expecting As in the course are complaining about certain things, it holds more weight. Similarly, when students expecting low grades have nothing but praise for the professor, the same holds true.

    I’m not asking to be able to see the raw data, but at least a compilation should be available to students. What is the concern? Professor’s ego?

  4. on 16 Nov 2007 at 3:31 pm Red

    I dont think it is just their Ego’s. The evaluations have an impact on their careers.

  5. on 16 Nov 2007 at 3:32 pm Solution

    In BARBRI class, they tell everyone that if you don’t know the answer to a question on the multistate bar exam, pick “C” because BARBRI trains about 90% of bar-takers and if enough people taking the test pick C for a particular question, the bar examiners by rule are forced to accept C as a correct answer or throw out the question.

    What I propose is that you all plan, very intentionally, to give every professor you have this semester the worst possible ratings on the evaluations. Those professors who know they are good (Bilder, Hillinger, etc.) will not care if they get bad ratings because they will be clued in on the intentional mis-evaluation (and, being great teachers and having nothing to hide, they probably are in favor of data sharing). The professors who are bad instructors (Jones, Jones, Jones) will receive negative ratings because they deserve them.

    You need leverage. You can’t continue to grumble. It will get you nowhere with the concrete administration.

    Unite, for once. Roll the dice. You too will be an alum someday and have deep pockets.

  6. on 16 Nov 2007 at 3:37 pm Bil

    Red,

    I am supposed to care about their careers? So we should sweep bad reviews under the rug?

    This is the same thinking that causes problems telling law students at that they can all expect six figure jobs.

    How about we make professors earn good reviews?

    If professors are bad and the course evaluations reflect that, shouldn’t it have an effect on their career?

  7. on 16 Nov 2007 at 4:44 pm Bil is correct…

    I am also not sure exactly how letting students view professor evaluations will have an negative impact on their careers. It is not as if the evaluations are not made known to the administration and those who have direct impact on retaining and promoting these professors; they are.

    What possible negative impact (besides bruised egos) could making a compilation of data in the professor evaluation available to students have? Those who make the decisions as to promotion already have access; really, they are the ones who matter career-wise. Are some really concerned that making students aware that some profs have less than stellar reviews is going to have students stampeding away from their classes? Hardly…word of mouth still gets around (although less efficiently, and subject to various distortions, which is why we need concrete data points), and students make professor choices based on this, but ultimately, students also choose classes based on other factors; e.g., does the course material sound interesting, and does the section fit my schedule?

    I am not sure that giving lousy reviews to all profs is the answer, but maybe not doing the reviews is the better option. And in reality, is having to wait until the 22nd of January really that much of a wait? Don’t we normally see the grades around that time, anyway?

  8. on 16 Nov 2007 at 5:10 pm Ellen

    I agree with what has been written above. Personally, I’m not going to fill out my evaluations at all; I don’t really care about getting my grades as they come out.

    Furthermore, I would urge all students who just can’t resist seeing their grades to submit BLANK surveys. If particular questions are not optional, then JUST PICK CHOICE NUMBER 1.

    One of the reasons the response rate was so low last year is that students refused to fill out their evaluations to protest to the administration’s “no data sharing” policy. The law school’s response? Try coercion.

    For God’s sake BC Law, can’t you see that this is the reason the BC Law administration gets poor marks, even as the school itself is regarded so highly?

  9. on 16 Nov 2007 at 5:35 pm FYI

    Institutionally, student evaluations count for ZERO.

    The reason BCLS will not release them is because they do not want you to realize the disparity between hiring decisions and student attitudes toward a professor. For example, if everyone got to see Prof. Jones’s reviews each semester, everyone would wonder why she was awarded tenure (increase number of minority professors, women professors, etc) and BCLS is not interested in engaging in that debate.

    I repeat, student evaluations count for NOTHING. No one will curb students’ appetites for early grade reporting, so I suggest you intentionally throw a wrench in their plan.

    If they won’t publish the evals themselves, why don’t you begin to hound the administration for an answer to why they will not release the same? (See e.g. the power of the collective student voice re: the firing of the Career Services dean at Emory Law last week)

    “The Evaluation Revolution!”
    …. the things we have to revolt over??

  10. on 16 Nov 2007 at 5:41 pm Eric

    If I recall correctly, there is a “Not Applicable” button for each question. I plan to check that for every class, and write my objections to the plan in the evaluations. Show THAT to main campus.

  11. on 16 Nov 2007 at 6:01 pm Bil

    The amount of comments and discussion I have seen over the past couple years regarding Prof. Jones, I don’t get why her classes even get people.

    Her Corporations class last year on the Eagleionline course evaluations got 6 Poor, 3 Acceptable, 0 Good, 0 Very Good, 0 Excellent.

    Compare that with Greenfield who got 0 Poor, 2 Acceptable, 1 Good, 9 Very Good, 11 Excellent.

    Compare it to Brudney who got 1 Poor, 0 Acceptable, 1 Good, 1 Very Good, 5 Excellent.

    This comes with only 1 person rating her as Hard/Very Hard compared to 4 Hard/Very Hard for Greenfield and ALL 8 people that rated Brudney rating him as very hard. So obviously its not people bitter about the amount of work she piles on.

    I have never taken a class with her and honestly wonder why she rates soo poorly (if you respond please keep it civil)?

    I feel like the SNL weekend update skit where they punctuate everything with “REALLY?” People don’t want to do something so you threaten them with holding their precious grades. REALLY? And then you are surprised when it causes a backlash among students. REALLY?

    Sad thing is, I have some amazing professors this year and I won’t be able to give them the credit they deserve. Doesn’t bother me too much though, because they know what students think of them. Only sad thing is now, besides word of mouth, I won’t be able to let others know how great they are.

    (PS- Land Use Planning with Witten is awesome, so take it….sorry couldn’t resist)

  12. on 16 Nov 2007 at 6:13 pm Bil is correct again..

    I feel badly for my professors who could benefit from my overall positive evaluations, but I will not, as I did not last year, fill out these forms in protest.

    I am even more discouraged after reading that these evaluations were actually once made available to students here (at least, until 1998). Were university and/or law school statutes actually changed after this date (since one person mentioned this could be raised as the reason for not making the evaluations available to students)? If so, what on earth was the impetus to change the regulations? I cannot see any legitimate reason to do so….there is nothing particularly unique to BC that would warrant this action; as many have stated previously, most institutions of higher ed make these evaluations available to students without major catastrophe; professors’ reputations remain intact, and students get the info they deserve.

    I would love, love, love if anyone who was actually around BC during the time that they shifted the policy from making the evaluations available to locking them down to let us know what was going on to compel the administration to do this.

  13. on 16 Nov 2007 at 6:27 pm In response to FYI’s comment…

    that student evaluations mean nothing in terms of professorial advancement, that is not the case. They do count; they are just one of three other crucial metrics that tenure/advancement committees use to determine promotion and retention. Besides teaching ability, these committees evaluate a professor’s scholarship (publishing) and service (which can mean anything from supervising student organizations, to providing service to the legal and/or academic community at large). Deficiencies in any one of these areas; i.e., teaching, scholarship, and service, can be made up in the other two. So you can promote and grant tenure to someone who is lacking in teaching ability, but makes it up in service and scholarship.
    Not that this necessarily makes it any better for students who have to sit through a class with a professor who is not the greatest, but every institution struggles with this.
    FYI, assessing teaching ability can also be a very subjective thing.

  14. on 16 Nov 2007 at 6:33 pm Flower

    In response to “bill is correct again…” it was not the administration that put out the course evaluations in the 90’s, it was the LSA. For some reason they stopped. The old evaluations are on file in the library.

    As far as I know course evaluations have never been provided to students from the law school.

  15. on 17 Nov 2007 at 3:42 am the lowly 1L

    Being a 1L, I don’t have any personal experience with all of this yet, and I’m not sure I care that much at this point since I have no choice in my professors, but I can’t help but wonder, why does the administration presumably have a responsibility to make course evaluations available to us? Other schools in the area do it, and that is great, but I think that the responsibility to share evaluations of courses and professors ultimately is on the students.

    The administration is responsible for hiring professors and using the evaluations to make good decisions when it comes to tenure. I think it is safe to say that the course evaluations are written to be informative to the administration and to the professors (and again, I’m speaking from no actual experience here, so it’s a bit of a guess). Just because they have data doesn’t mean that it will answer OUR questions.

    We want different information than the administration wants. I’m not concerned with what a professor can do better, I want to know about their teaching style, how helpful they are, what the workload is, etc. The fact that LSA did course evaluations in the 90’s and that eagleionline is doing it now makes it pretty clear to me that this is, in fact, a student responsibility. I’m happy to see that responsibility being embraced, and I hope that we continue to make the survey more and more useful to students.

    Let the administration keep their data…
    Do the “mandatory” course evaluations, get your grades, and then look at the survey data where people are responding not under “coercion,” but because they really want to share their opinions.

  16. on 17 Nov 2007 at 11:00 am Bil

    lowly 1L,

    Obviously they don’t “have” to share the data they collect but they also don’t “have” to do much of anything, but they do, because we are the ones paying almost $40,000 per year. They have information on the quality of the professors and they don’t share it for the sole reason that they want to keep people out of the loop on who the bad professors are.

    They want to maintain this illusion that all professors are created equal, and there is an amazing learning experience to bad from each one. This is obviously not true. Word of mouth isn’t a very reliable indicator and a lot are left out of that loop, so the administration knows that if they keep the collected data from us, we won’t be able to make informed course choice decisions.

    In addition, just look at what has happened in the past and is happening right here and now. If they shared the results with students, students would have increased motivation to share their thoughts with the administration and take the course evaluations very seriously.

    This would mean that students get the information to make course choices and the administration gets far more reliable and comprehensive data for whatever purposes they need it.

    For example, say there is a Professor X who made tenure because he contributes amazing scholarly articles,etc. but he isn’t a great professor. Or imagine Professor Y, visiting for the year. Now course evaluations aren’t going to have any impact on what happens in the careers of these two individuals, and yet we still fill them out. Why not allow this info to be put to use and shared with students?

  17. on 17 Nov 2007 at 1:38 pm securities regulation

    I had Professor Jones for both corporations and securities regulation. While I think we could have covered more topics in the corps class, her sec reg class is much better taught. She is enthusiastic about the material, entertains questions, uses real world examples, and really seems to know the stuff inside out. And she doesn’t try to trick us on exams, which makes studying a bit less stressful. Give her a chance - maybe she should teach more securities style courses instead of corps?

  18. on 17 Nov 2007 at 2:08 pm Bil

    sec reg,

    except her reviews in sec. reg. are equally deplorable to those for corp.

    so others obviously don’t share your sentiment.

  19. on 19 Nov 2007 at 9:44 am Bil

    The administration is officially insane.

    “Be heard. We’re listening.”

    I got this e-mail and thought “FINALLY” they listened to the student complaints and we’re getting access to the course evals. WRONG.

    Not only that, but they try to reframe the whole issue. They try to make it look like we get the gift of early access for filling out evaluations instead of a penalty for not doing so as in the previous e-mail.

  20. on 19 Nov 2007 at 10:03 am red

    Here is the email they just sent:

    Make a Difference!

    Complete your Law School online course evaluations from November 19 to December 3 at 11:00 p.m. It’s easy, convenient, secure, anonymous, confidential, fast (a total of 5-15 minutes to complete all evaluations), and important!

    NEW - beginning this term, early access to grades is available only if you have completed all of your course evaluations by December 3.

    Don’t forget…

    • November 19- December 3, Online course evaluation survey period.
    • Jan 1, posted grades become available for students who have completed all their course evaluations..
    • Jan 22, grades available to those who have not completed all their course evaluations.

  21. on 19 Nov 2007 at 11:55 am Cassidy? Wiley? Rosselot? Garvey?

    Someone please find out who is responsible for the new policy. Is it the dean for academic affairs? Student affairs? Garvey himself?

    Doesn’t BCLS have a Law Students Association? What’s Baker doing about this?

    None of you poor chaps is motivated enough to take on the administration. You need to organize. LSA sure isn’t doing jack for you.

  22. on 19 Nov 2007 at 12:30 pm Guillaume Buell

    I’d recommend that Eagleionline or someone else set up an online petition (or the LSA should do a paper one). Everyone who signs the petition refuses to submit an online course evaluation to BC unless the results (all of them, raw and cumulative), are released to the student body in January.

    No delays, no excuses. It’s our data, we’re the ones paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to go to school here. We have a right to all of it.

    Before I enroll in a course next year, I have a right to know what the course evaluations were - and to rely on hard data - rather than word of mouth and rumors about courses and professors. I like the people I’ve taken courses with in my year and a half here. But I don’t know the next thing about anyone else that teaches here, besides what I’ve heard through rumor and cafeteria chatter.

    Prospective students have a right to it as well - before committing over $150,000 to a legal education at Boston College, they ought to be able to know what students here think of the faculty, both individually and collectively, with both raw and cumulative data.

    Boston College has no right to coerce us into submitting these evaluations and then refuse to let us see the results.

    It begs the question,